Comments on: Crowd-Curated or Crowd-Juried? /2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/ Technology blog of the Brooklyn Museum Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:31:09 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.3 By: Making the public the curator - Brooklyn Museum « Platform07 /2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/comment-page-1/#comment-374 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:11:42 +0000 /bloggers/2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/#comment-374 […] Crowd-Curated or Crowd-Juried?  by Kevin Stayton (edited) […]

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By: Shelley Bernstein /2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/comment-page-1/#comment-419 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:05:03 +0000 /bloggers/2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/#comment-419 Hi Matt, thanks for this nice compliment. I couldn’t agree with you more with regard to online exhibitions. This issue is not something anyone has brought up yet (Laurel Ptak touches on it in her Art Info interview), so thanks.

The online exhibition format is something we’ve always struggled with and our Edo is a good example – it’s a great resource, but more of a digital collection presented online, not something that really owns the nature of the web today and engages it. A physical exhibition in a physical space would engage on its own level, but in an online exhibition like Edo you can see it fail because it doesn’t engage even the online space – it’s just there.

With Click, we thought about this idea a lot and we aimed to re-envision both the online and the physical, so it’s nice to see you found we were succeeding on that level.

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By: Matt Morgan /2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/comment-page-1/#comment-415 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:42:28 +0000 /bloggers/2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/#comment-415 Usually, our exhibitions are on the walls of the museum, and online we have a “feature” or a “preview.” There had been no completely successful example of an “online exhibition” until now.

Click! expanded the notion of the “exhibition”: the “exhibition” was not mainly on the walls of the museum, in this case, but took place on the Internet. Not just on brooklynmuseum.org, but on the blogs of photographers who solicited votes, in the articles posted about the show before it went physical, in the fear of the new expressed in the NYTimes review.

I believe that Shelley was the “curator” of this show. To accept that assertion you’d also have to accept (like I have) a new definition of the term “curator,” which is in some ways more limited than our traditional definition, but in other ways is more liberated and ultimately more empowered.

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By: Kevin Stayton /2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/comment-page-1/#comment-414 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:40:29 +0000 /bloggers/2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/#comment-414 Michele, thanks for posting that article. It has some very interesting thoughts by our colleague curators at other institutions. It is really encouraging that they all find the exhibition thought provoking in one way or another.

An, I agree with you. There is some inescapable difference between the sciences and the humanities, something unquantifiable, that makes subjectivity in our response to works of art sometimes not just acceptable, but liberating and beneficial.

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By: An Xiao /2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/comment-page-1/#comment-413 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:24:37 +0000 /bloggers/2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/#comment-413 Mmm… that last sentence really struck me. I’m an artist/photographer these days, but I’ve also been trained as an academic philosopher. In most academic disciplines (and I would consider curatorial work academic, or at least requiring a solid academic background), a strong degree of objectivity is almost a vital necessity. We wouldn’t want mathematicians biased by their preference for, say, prime numbers, or linguists to be biased by their upbringing around, say, tonal languages. And to draw from my philosophy background, we wouldn’t want moral and metaphysical determinations to be drawn from cultural biases.

But curating art seems different somehow. I can’t quite articulate the difference, but it seems like art almost demands a certain subjectivity. As an artist, I can certainly say that subjectivity is vital in the creation. A piece of art can reach technical and conceptual perfection but still fail in that je ne se quois that makes one photograph good and another photograph awe-inspiring. But maybe curation requires a level of subjectivity as well. Maybe the best curators are those who understand that je ne se quois much better than the average person, and can determine to a greater extent if their preference for one work over the other is due simply to a personal bias or something deeper… “Universal” doesn’t strike me as the right word, but something along those lines.

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By: Michele Valdez /2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/comment-page-1/#comment-412 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:04:06 +0000 /bloggers/2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/#comment-412 Not sure if anyone has already posted this article on the show, but here it is:

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/28147/power-to-the-people/

Michele

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By: Kevin Stayton /2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/comment-page-1/#comment-409 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:52:57 +0000 /bloggers/2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/#comment-409 I completely agree with what An Xiao is implying in the above comment–that it is very difficult to step away from demographic influences in the process of jurying a selection. I know that when I was going through the process of making my own evaluations, I found myself responding first to the aesthetics of the works, based on my training and inclination as a curator. I had to keep reminding myself that I needed to balance my aesthetic response with a more intellectual decision about whether the work reflected the changing faces of Brooklyn. I also found that my interest in architecture skewed my judgment to a degree in favor of images of buildings. It may be that professionals are more used to the discipline of being objective in making judgments, but it is impossible to completely erase one’s pre-existing tastes and experiences. And I do agree that sometimes pure objectivity, if it can exist, is a little cold; brilliance can sometimes come from a subjective insight.

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By: Kevin Stayton /2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/comment-page-1/#comment-408 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:34:06 +0000 /bloggers/2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/#comment-408 Indeed there is no one way to curate, and there are many different goals for different exhibitions, each of which requires a different approach. But I think it would be very difficult for an absent “crowd” to curate in the sense of directing the shape of the final product, that is the installation of works of art. When you speak about a rule-based process, and guiding the container, establishing those rules and guiding the container are curatorial functions. Deciding how to interpret the rules is also an activity that gives form to the final product, and is therefore a curatorial decision. The selection of objects is one of the most important curatorial functions in creating an exhibition, and that is something that the crowd did in this case. But it is impossible to be entirely neutral in interpreting their selection, so there is another level of curation apparent here, too. I don’t think this division of responsibilities weakens the result in this case–it just makes it more nuanced.

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By: John Downing /2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/comment-page-1/#comment-407 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:23:04 +0000 /bloggers/2008/07/23/crowd-curated-or-crowd-juried/#comment-407 Is it so hard to believe that the show was crowd-sourced, crowd-curated, AND crowd-juried?

For me, like most exhibits, regardless of source, curation, or jury, there are some pieces I love, many I like, and a few “what the **** were they thinking?”

You may disagree with me on every piece, whether you are an expert or casual observer, but remember, experts built and ran the Titanic, while the Ark was built and operated by a novice.

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